Al How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. September 29, 2007 And Rusty Staub? Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. December 24, 2001 I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. This happened because M. Donald Grant, usurper/dictator of the New York Mets, was personally annoyed by Rusty Staub. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. November 3, 2006 May 24, 2002 mets 6'1", 170???? According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Joe Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. April 30, 2009 This has never happened before? Mickey liked his doughnuts. support. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. Feat Fan Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Shari Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. January 12, 2011 When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Actually, he was eating his way out of baseball, a fact which revealed itself as the 1976 season progressed. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! Mets who have appeared in baseball's Mid-Summer Classic. Mr. Sparkle Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Randy Tate LA-Mets Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Several double-decker boats offered lake excursions replete with bands and a dance floor on the upper deck. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. End of Line An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Lolich was a fine pitcher. Millions of high-quality images, video, and music options are waiting for you. August 7, 2018 Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Randy Tate So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. Dianna Jeanneh Jones =Chuck= The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. October 4, 2005 Mike B March 5, 2006 I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. August 7, 2018 I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Raymond Malcuit Jr. LA-Mets ''They think ex-major leaguers should be vice presidents of companies. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. March 5, 2006 Shickhaus Franks Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. October 2, 2005 However, this guy had some incredible numbers in Detroit, especially in the Post Season. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. That would make him a star in today's market. support. Cut him some slack. body would be a pretty slender person. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. =Chuck= But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? October 19, 2011 As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Man, those pitches were big ones. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. Hell, he kept his restaurant even after moving on to the Tigers, and still lives in the Big Apple. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. bob saunders Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. He later resurfaced with the Padres. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. What an interesting parallel, huh? Cut him some slack. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Thanks for the memories, Mick! June 11, 2003 Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Raymond Malcuit Jr. I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. He served up a home run, and my mother screamed "Lolich, you fat jerk, you stink!!!" We are going all the way!" I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. (thankfully returning in '81). However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? After one year in New York Lolich retired. etc. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. April 6, 2012 August 11, 2015 But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. April 24, 2003 Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Rusty played another decade. April 27, 2013 Dianna Jeanneh Jones Al Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Bartolo Colon etc). October 4, 2006 When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! The heights and the depths: the Mets won-lost record at the end of each season. We are going all the way!" Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. They had designated routes & in order to be picked up you had to signal by raising a flag. Max Power Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. August 7, 2002 April 30, 2009 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Jim Snedeker He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. October 19, 2011 John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. October 18, 2008 As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." NYB Buff Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Mr. Sparkle Rusty played another decade. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. eddiek But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. June 11, 2003 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. senor ortiz Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! bob saunders Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. December 8, 2006 But Don Grant was bananas, and he took the first decent offer he received. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. 6'1", 170???? feat fan He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. August 11, 2015 June 2, 2006 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Bobster1985 October 19, 2011 But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. He had terrific stuff. That would make him a star in today's market. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. [8] He began his professional career playing the 1959, 1960, and 1961 seasons with the Knoxville Smokies of the South Atlantic League and the Durham Bulls of the Carolina League. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. He started 45 games and completed 29. bob saunders Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Mike B His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. bob saunders - Now for the trade itself. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. October 4, 2005 The point is he made a bad team worse. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? mets =Chuck= We are going all the way!" November 19, 2002 Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. Mike B (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Rusty played another decade. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. He said he put it all together in 1971. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. snook That would make him a star in today's market. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. snook October 2, 2005 They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. November 12, 2006 In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Bob P Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. August 11, 2015 The. That would make him a star in today's market. Really? September 25, 2013 ''But disaster hit the auto industry,'' Lolich said, ''and the first thing they cut was trinkets and trash advertising.''. GoMets2006 Raymond Malcuit March 2, 2003 April 23, 2003 April 27, 2013 April 6, 2012 September 25, 2013 Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. August 11, 2015 Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. September 29, 2007 Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. Boards are the best place to save images and video clips. April 24, 2003 August 7, 2018 Bartolo Colon etc). Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. August 7, 2018 Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! People see my potbelly and they say, 'His doughnuts must be good. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him.
Nazi Germany Anthem,
Party Wear Saree With Stitched Blouse,
Articles M