Afterfastingfor 40 days Torben Sndergaard also believes that God revealed a self-help book for him,[28]saying I will give you one chapter each day.[29]. I totally disagree with his position. 5. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. 2 Tim 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing, but unto all them also that love his appearing, Jonathan, you ask Where do you get your identity? Jonathan, as a born again believer in our risen Savour the Lord Jesus Christ I am identified with Christ and in Union with Him and I/we Christians are currently seated with Him in heavenly places (Eph). And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. If a person is suffering, I would rejoice that their suffering is over. For us to think we can do anything apart from God, means we have cut ourselves off from Him. We warn our children not to do things with their safety in mind but we dont call in fearmongering! Did every person that Jesus heal get born again? Marilyn- beautiful words Sister Thats why the only way is to flee temptation, flee the limelight. Moses was filled with UNBELIEF.Moses did not BELIEVE that God would do what He said He was going to do. (Isaiah 60:1-4 KJV) Seems that every time the Lord does something through someone, that is when the enemy wants to come in and steal kill and destroy, that which He has done. Lightening Storm, Aarons rod that buddedmiraculously. The Pioneer School (online) - Torben Sondergaard is the evangelist from Denmark whose Last Reformation movement now spans worldwide. Sorry for hogging the comments here but I cant shut this in or I will explode I to flames !! `in His hand is a sacred censer.`, This shows the regenerative ability of the entitled Son of Man in His Creatorship & Judgeship. Jonathan You will be glad you did. Indeed, this is something we need to seriously consider and pray about doing. In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. I hate those gift inventories for this reason. I know of a man whose leg was 1.5 shorter than the other. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. So the real test is that you will react to something the way Jesus wants you to react, and you are unable to do that if you dont always listen and obey. Videos. Sndergaard also read scripture as part of his defense to show how he was following Christ's commands, making the Bible part of the case record. WHO does the SANCTIFYING? There is no excuse for making such premature judgments and posting them in post after post in public. ** After commenting you have 15 minutes to EDIT your comment. Be careful, God will warn you many times that playing with FIRE is dangerous, and in the end will hand you over to the delusion you begged and pleaded for because you refuse to repent. Acts 5:38-39 The devil visited Jesus, just as the devil visits us in one form or another. Yes! Please take a look. The FIRE that is called down from heaven in the last days by the Antichrist and his ministers of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:15) will lead to the wild fire spread of speaking in tongues. Jesus so many times told those He had healed to tell no-one. I am also sad to report that I knew a man whose wife was dying of cancer. I too have been badly wounded and burned by previous fakes and deceptions- thats no excuse for cynicism. In fact, without them In Luke 9:49, 50, John said, Master we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us. But Jesus said to him, Do not forbid him, for he that is not against you is for you. John wanted the disciples to monopolize the truth among themselves and exclude all those who did not belong to his group. Yesterday I posted some advice to these dear brothers to run away from the spotlight, from cameras, and from those who would try to make them kings, but it looks like I may have forgotten to hit the send buttonthat was the wisdom the Lord gave to me in a flash yesterday and sought to share it. Christ is the strong tower who when we run into we are kept safe! b) caring or providing for. TLR is a classic cult and Torben Sondergaard is a classic cult leader. OFFICIAL UPDATE ON TORBEN SONDERGAARD: January 17, 2023. What flesh can resist that over time! Even the promise od Jesus coming is questioned . visions and miracles should be absolutely EXPECTED as a In the political world (which I dont participate in) this is what the liberal left does to conservatives by calling them names (e.g. Im glad you brought this up Barry, because the scriptures overwhelmingly tell us that Gods ways are set apart from those of the enemy. I arose to go to him but found my body was trembling so violently that I had great difficulty in walking across the room, and especially in controlling the trembling of my hands and arms. It is plain heresy. Some of you may remember the mans leg that grew out about a year ago. Torben Sndergaard (1976-) is a Danish Christian evangelist, self-proclaimed apostle, and faith healer, who claims to receive revelations and visions directly from God. We are to give witness to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, that He is alive in us doing the same works and even greater works. i Its not a matter of some are more humble or nicer or more genuine etc, because ALL our flesh has the same susceptibilities and needs to forget what the left hand is doing. A man was in the corner with his shirt off screaming inaudibly at a mirror and writhing about as if he was on fire. I think the scripture says THEY BELIEVED. Certainly going to a local village for instance and seeing the Elder of a village get healed dramatically by us, is going to get the attention of the whole village on God very quickly and allow the preaching of the word to follow without effort. That is a result of a lack of intemacy with our Lord!!!! Each person has their own homemade version/definition of what that means. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOPcBry4-k. Time will tell if Torben has been sent by God to do the ministry works of Jesus as His ambassador on this earth. But as Teshuva said the enemy will come to try and destroy the works of God, it is not a matter of if, it is only a matter of when, so it is a kindness when the enemy is seen coming in the distance that someone warns of it. January 18, 2023 3:58 am Videos; Home. Thank you Lord Jesus! I believe Torben has been shown a number of things that are Its obvious from these verses that those performing these counterfeit miracles do so under the honest belief that they are doing them in the name of Jesus, but God is clear that they are not. The nature of deception is that those being deceived arent aware they are being deceived. Thank you so much Andrew for sharing these videos with us. Sometimes the leg is genuinely shorter and physicaly lengthens, sometimes the back or pelvic area is being healed and the subsequent rotation causes the legs to even out. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. Torben Sondergaard is paired with his delightful wife, Lene Sondergaard. There is something ABOUT GOD HIMSELF that we dont believe. 1 John 3:5. The fact that He never did such things was not simply that He wanted to make his followers honest and sincere, but also because He was communicating Life, and building a kingdom not of this world or according to its principles. Just saying /shrug. God is not complicated when it comes to His name and the power that is In it. Share on pocket. I mean lets get serious now, how many of you reading this article thought to yourself, why do they get this gift and I dont? Your prayers in your native language are so weak Jesus Christ does not even hear them, thats why God prefers you to speak to Him in a prayer language instead. This is nothing but human sorcery at its worst . rather than having an honest and respectful discussion on the issues. And yes the first video was full of evidence that we are dealing with a genuine and anointed man of God. At once, the currents of holy power passed through my being, and I knew that it likewise passed through the one who was sick. Bob Jones is the guy who told Todd Bentley about Emma the angel. Thank you for letting the power of God be shown . Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from Prison Call in LIVE: (866) 348-7884 Paul was using both water and Spirit so many times in his epistles When you are genuinely born again you prayed to Jesus Christ and you repented to Jesus Christ and ask Him for forgiveness of all your sins and because of this you are automaticallyspirituallybaptizedinto the One and only Baptism of the Jesus Christ, there after the Holy Spirit will come toabide in youpermanently. b) (Niphal) If there is one, then I would ask the readers of this site to please post it for our enlightenment. Not just be exposing the False. ISBN: 9783955783815 | Portofrei bestellen bei Bcher Lthy. Do you remember the incident of the woman who touched the hem of Jesus garment? We live in a day and age of global information. This is a VERY important part of following Jesus , He tells everyone to do this . 1) to fear, revere, be afraid "Torben detailed his life in ministry. Could you ever imagine Jesus holding up a persons legs, showing the legs to be different sizes? Faith is rising in my heart that God can use any of his children to minister to the sick. watchful, your message about running from the spot light is a good one. Take a look! He may have started well, got saved and followed Jesus but he as well, like many others got deceived and now is leading thousands to destruction. (Luke 22: 51) Is God feeling ambivalent about those healings when He led Korban to record them? Will you tithe if I pray for you and God gives you your arm back? Maybe its just a different expectation outside that makes it more likely to see results. The government then investigated the Sndergaard family when they began homeschooling. Ruining the faith of the faithful is most important to him. It would be hard for God to grow a leg out when the wooden leg is attached. 3. sign me up. Or when did he say Johns Baptism will pass away? 1.Repent(turn back) to the Father Dear Barry .here is a quote from your post. And here I`m thinking of those around that I know & learn from in daily life. He told us that He is our ONLY Teacher Matthew 23:8-10; and the 5 fold ministry He has gifted to His Body, is Him, so let us seek His understanding to find out who are those of Him and those who are false 5 fold ministers.. I hear people say we GLORIFY You, Lord, Glory to the Lord, give GLORY to the Lord, if it GLORIFIES the Lord etc etc. Are multitudes of people following anything proof of it spiritual authenticity? Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. Jesus had no thought of creating an organization or formal group around Himself, nor did he teach disciples to form any such organized group. And there also those who embrace every wind of doctrine, and all signs and wonders, regardless of their source. You missed the entire divine point and purpose of the video- to show that Jesus still uses ordinary , humble, weak nobodies to do his marvelous works. Leaving them to hunger and thirst after more. 1)God is Who HE SAID HE IS. Tags: Baptism of the Holy SpiritKundaliniLast ReformationSpeaking in TonguesTorben Sndergaard. If a man comes performing miracles in Jesus name but preaches idols- money, ambition, love of the world and anything in the world money, sensuality, power or selfish ambition- THAT MAN IS A WOLF! It could be miracles, signs, and wonders. Seymour then asked the one-armed man, Can you work with just the one arm? It is the anointing that he wants to transfer onto people. JeffM, I believe you misintrepeted my comment about obeying God. Mar 9:40 KJV For he that is not against us is on our part. Being FEARFUL, WORRIED, ANXIOUS, CONCERNED is the opposite of putting your FAITH (trust and confidence) in God. (Acts 10:38 NASB), Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. I honestly dont consider my understanding of this to be fully formed yet (ie, interpreting/understanding scripture) so Im reluctant to even try to discuss it in writing until I have a better grasp of things. The word was that Denmark would become known as the Pool of Bethesda. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. His legal team told us they have filed an administrative request for release with ICE Detention officer Alan Young, who has the power to order Torben released from custody pending his asylum trial. I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. Where was the simplicity of Christ there? Because that which is of God is not weird but is HOLY. Well saidyou have hit a few nails on the head in your last post. Redacted government documents surrounding his arrest can be viewed here at friendsoftorben.com. Trenton its better to show a little wisdom and not say anything but spend some time in prayer and seek the mind of the Lord, then to say something you will regret later when God reveals all things. . Going beyond the person to see what the Lord is doing in & through them. I believed that I had been healed by God. But, if they claim to be a Christians, and a leader, then people will follow them. They will do miracles and mighty works like the magicians in the palace of pharoah, when Moses, on the Lords instruction, had his staff turned into a snake. Dont put yourself in the same category of those who want to justify the legitimacy of something by the numbers of people who follow it. So I am going to be featuring a lot more of Torbens stuff on here. For the promise is to you and your children and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call. Always listen to the teaching and doctrine of the one doing the miracles first and second if you are able check out the fruit (lifestyle) of the one doing miracles. This is how His Kingdom comes in the earth! Sectarians are those who would make fellowship with Christ their exclusive privilege. Just like Jesus did with his own disciples. He had gout and after two weeks of taking his meds and diet, he was still getting worse. Sondergaard, as he prayed for the sick on the streets and in the Because you have pushed with side and shoulder , butted all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad, therefore I will save My flock, and they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. He claims that " about 90 percent of all the people, that he or others in his team pray for, are healed". Multitudes of people have written to me expressing this. John 6:15 In whatever FORM God deems necessary for the people to BELIEVE that He exists and that He is GOOD/can be TRUSTED. Ive only brought a dose of reality to the discussions, with some serious, and important, things to think about. I did nothing of myself ! Yes, I do, but when I say I try to, that means in my mind that I realize that there will be times I will fail. Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, Earlier this year I felt the Lord placed it on my heart to investigate Bill Johnson , I started with what Bethel expressed as what they believe I dont see anything wrong with the statement of what they believe which I posted previously on this thread, I then listened to a number of Bill Johnsons sermons (videos) on YouTube they were all recent I tried to listen to as recent as I could, He honoured the Lord Jesus He honoured knowing the Lord Jesus He honoured the Lord Jesus words I am not saying that I agreed 100% with every single thing I heard him share but he definitely believes that Jesus is God and is Man always was God and always will be God, I am judging him by his own confession and his own confession of surrender to the Lord Jesus and he has committed himself to the Lord Jesus and is living to honour him I could tell this through the spirit of what he was sharing in his sermons, In the sermons I watched on YouTube which were at Bethel, Redding there was prayer for the sick where people gathered around those who were sick and prayed for them I didnt see anything weird or suspect or new age or whatever in any of these YouTube videos this was happening in their services praying for the sick and people were expressing that they were healed , Bill Johnson is going after healing He is taking seriously Jesus words, Heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons and is wanting his life and the life of his local congregation to demonstrate this, I never heard him call himself a prophet or a healer or anything else for that matter, He came across to me as a very humble man who knew the Lord personally, had surrendered himself to Him and wanted to serve and please Him, I was blessed by many of the things which I heard him share and know that he is my brother is Christ, Does that mean that hes never made a mistake in his life? 38 And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; 39 but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow itlest you even be found to fight against God.. Johnathan Isreal- I am not ashamed to take the Lords name Christian you can say it was a handle the worldly people mockingly gave to the early followers of Jesus Christ if you want ( I doubt you are right about that enormous leap of assumption as the text does not say what you so dogmatically assume. Bob Jones would have women undress in front of him, in order to receive prophetic words from him. As I thought about this story of unchurched people coming to US I remembered how many times in gospels it says, they came to Jesus to. Or they brought to Jesus a man who. We dont have to make it happen- God will bring people to Jesus IN US if only we will yield to Jesus and let Him use us!!! It is the primary activity of the ekklesias, it is our goal as servants of our Lord Jesus Christ, it is how the world will be reached with the gospel of the Kingdom of God. I just read Luke 7 where Jesus raises the widows son from the dead and great fear and rejoicing fell on all the crowd. Arrested NOT. What I understand is that the Lord desires to manifest His manifold wisdom to the powers and principalities, not to man so much. The manna that came down from heaven.miraculously. Agreed Andrew.avoid those who 2Tim3v5,,,,have a form of godliness but deny the power.we need miracles and healings etc .and oh how we need discerning of spirits to get delivered from the power of darkness and lazy religious demons.. Jesus hasnt changed! Squashers of joy, and those who make light when someone says theyve been healed by Gods power, would rather remind the church about the warning that many will heal in His Name and do works in His Name and expect entrance into heaven, and Jesus will say, Depart, I never knew you. USURPING the role of the Holy Spirit is very dangerous for ones health and welfare.check the scriptures. The miracle spoke for itself. There is another guy in the pool at 2:34 min who is convulsing in the water this is Kundalini electricity. If we just go by what we think the Holy Spirit is saying we can over ride Him in our carnal thinking, or if we just rely on our thoughts of the Word we also get into trouble. I didnt want it to be about me so I asked my young lady helper to lay hands on her and pray . I can be a `big picture,` person & I so appreciate those who labour in daily life with family, difficulties, work etc & try to help where I can & pray, for we are all on this journey together. It should not be an amazing thing to see the hand of the Lord working through one of His servants, but because the church has waxed cold we feel these are amazing works. This is not the shekinah glory of God in this video, saying you believe in Jesus and not knowing a demonic false sign is a result of making self your god. My entire life is spent in a life of obedience to our Lord. In fact, they should welcome any such testing. Share on twitter. He carries the burden of a broken heart. He knows the grief of a wounded spirit. a) of those startled by strange sights or occurrences He was baptized as a baby in the state church and later confirmed, but it was only because of tradition. I have There is NO RECORD of what Jesus did SPECIFICALLY in those 40 days. This video and your words have brought me to tears..tears of joy, excitement, and thanksgiving to Almighty God. Shame on you skeptics! What you said is correct. Will try the link you posted. I would love to talk to people who are also victims, who had a bad experience with it, or whatever. . Have no more condemnation, because im walking in repentance, & am Spirit lead. Christ is displayed as being relatively, legally, morally & judicially qualified to uphold & maintain the will, the Word, the wisdom, & the work of God. And He asked them, What are you discussing with them? And one of the crowd answered Him, Teacher, I brought You my son, possessed with a spirit which makes him mute; and whenever it seizes him, it slams him to the ground and he foams at the mouth, and grinds his teeth and stiffens out. Lightning Storm, that was the point I was making the same people go to meeting after meeting manifesting the same thingsthey are not being delivered of their manifestations nor even seeking to be.they are just playing with it all and encouraging it. http://www.apostasywatch.com/Wolves/WolfReports/BillJohnsonBethelChurchReddingCa/WARNINGBILLJOHNSONandBETHELCHURCH/tabid/260/Default.aspx. All I can say is that if Paul twice said he feared for the church of Corinth, then it shouId be ok for us to feel similar concern as well when it is warranted. Luk 9:49 KJV And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. Thank you for the work put into the site, and sharing the vast amount of information & your in depth work regarding movements and doctrines that have steered off to the left or to the right, or gone astray following traditions of men or doctrines of demons and basically fallen short of the WAY, TRUTH & LIFE of Jesus our Lord and Savior. Amen Roger, good wordsimplicity. Every time they went in to repair damage it was already healed. As of about 2022, Lene is now 46 years old and born on April 5, 1976. They want hope, need hope and the only hope is found in God! Look at the FAITH shown in His Prayer of John 17. And full gospel is exactly what you will see Torbens Last Reformation is all about as he takes bits and pieces from every so called Christian doctrine and mingles them together. He said no weapon FORMED against us will prosper and yet I can only think of one weapon that has been formed from the beginning, and that is the carnal mind, leaving me to understand that no carnal mind formed against us will prosper. As of 2022, Lene is currently 46 years old and was born on April 5, 1976. And, do you understand why that might be a bad thing to do? I love HIM even more. Andrew J Horton, you said I didnt see anything weird or suspect or new age or whatever in any of these YouTube videos . eerie suggests an uneasy or fearful consciousness that mysterious and malign powers are at work . You guys talk of not judging others, but then judge me as a skeptic. The single most encouraging thing is right at the end when the healers admit that they feel nothing, meaning they are operating strictly by faith and obedience. Oh and Moses staff turned into a snake. Torben says he is doing what God told him to do, you prove to us that he is not ! The Danish citizen had been living with family in North Carolina since last year, and he's . Let me give you an example. I believe God is Sovereign and all things happen for a reason, as i came to this site after looking up Leon du Preez( Thanks again), but just when i wanted to share that post, i found this one. There is nothing wrong with being cautious and asking questions. We have all learned those past lessons of gullibility and stupidity in embracing that charismatic sorcery. We are living in a dark age where sin and selfishness have been taking over the church. Finally, he came up with the idea of just going from room to room in the hospital to pray for people. Many people do things they think please the Lord but dont stop and think or ask if the Lord is indeed pleased. These four obligations He discharges righteously, honorably, faithfully & perfectly. Let Gods holiness arise in His people ! Seymour had approached a man with a wooden leg and asked, What did you come here for? The man replied, I want you to pray for my leg. 2 God doesnt like strange fire being mixed with His; its very distasteful. There is a great emphasis in the Last Reformation Movement on feelings and the gifts and their 'model for church' is confined to Acts. Praise God that He has given Torben this gift! For instance, if God can stretch a leg out 1/2 or so, why not find an amputee and in the name of Jesus command the limb to grow back? See article on biblical explanation of. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. Sndergaard has been heldin a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) jail, the Baker County Facility in MacClenny, Florida, since his arrest in June. 23:25). He is excited to share with others what GOD is doing. The answer to that question is I most certainly try when I feel the Lord speaking to me. Asking questions is always wise and yet skeptism and cynicism is folly also. And after all, Paul himself said that ANYTHING THAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN. 3) to fear, reverence, honour, respect The Gospel of Luke is about Christ the Mediator, the One who is touched with the feelings of our infirmities. Torben Soendergaard was booked on Thursday June, 30th, 2022 . And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Jesus Himself came back to give us this message in Rev 7:14 These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washedtheirrobes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. spread the word! Sondergaard claims to be an apostle and healer of the faith. That was my concern when I read that long, complicated, history focussed misguiding information posted by Chas351. In other words, you did not know the cause and effect of things, and thought you were doing it in your own power, not pointing people to Him. Why cant people see this? Thats it. The Last Reformation is a global movement founded by Torben Sondergaard. We should let the Lord direct people in their belief.
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